Please Vote


I hate politics. I honestly don’t care that much for either of the candidates and really wish that we didn’t have a two party system. However, that’s what we have and so I’ll make the best of it.

Making the best of it, though, doesn’t mean “not voting.” Just because I don’t favor either main candidate doesn’t mean I won’t be voting. No. I will be voting. I always vote (via absentee) in every election.

I consider it my duty and I’m honored that I have the opportunity to vote. And I hope that everyone who reads my site feels similarly. If you don’t, I’m pleading with you to please vote this election. I honestly don’t care who you vote for as long as you just vote!

If you’re not registered to vote, I’m begging you to please register to vote1. There are a number places you can being the registration process, including Rock The Vote. However, you must start now. Many voter registration deadlines are this Saturday! That’s only a few days away!

Otherwise, get your #2 pencilsBic pens ready for November 4th.

1 With the assumption that you’re over 18, a citizen of the United States, and have not had your voting rights revoked.

12 Replies to “Please Vote”

  1. Please Don’t Vote

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff224.html

    This article contains numerous excellent reasons not to vote. I’d like to see you either refute the article or provide your own reasons why I should vote (given my views) other than that you feel it’s an “honor” and somehow a “duty” (which, in my opinion, is mostly a lifetime of propaganda talking).

  2. I don?t believe in majority rule as applied to the political situations in which it is used.
    What does that mean? Can you propose a better and more fair system than majority rules?

    I don?t believe in representative government under our Constitution. The Constitution has no legitimate authority over me. I have never signed off on it.
    The Constitution is the law of the land, and God says that you must submit yourself to it:
    1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.” – Romans 13:1-7

    I do not wish to endorse a system that has produced and continues to produce what I think are pragmatically bad results.
    I do not wish to endorse a system that has produced and continues to produce what I think are evil results. My religious beliefs are totally inconsistent with what the State does.
    Then don’t endorse it. Just becuase I vote doesn’t mean that I think our system is perfect, or even good. Do you think that our political system is an all or nothing proposition? I don’t. Speak out against attrocities you see and seek to change them.

    I don?t vote because I believe that everyone should be able to exercise the right of political choice. By that, I mean the right to choose the kind of system he or she wants to live with. It does not mean selecting a candidate who then works within a system not of your choice. I want to choose my dessert. I want ice cream. I do not want to be told that I can choose raspberry or lemon jello, or write in orange jello if I feel like it.

    If you want Ice Cream, then put Ice Cream on the ballot.

    I don?t vote because I do not want to confuse myself. I believe in dissolving the national government and the Constitution. If I vote, I am more likely to start thinking that my aim is reform of the system. It isn?t. My aim is that each of us has the liberty to choose his own system of government. If I voted, I?d soon become confused. A good example of such confusion is the Libertarian Party.

    This may be the only valid point. However, I don’t think that not voting will help dissolve the national govenment.

    I do not vote because I have no intention of imposing my system on you. If my candidate won, I would not want him to impose a system on the minority that it did not want. I don?t want the majority to impose its system on me now, so I cannot be in favor of my imposing my system on them if I win an election.

    This is just a retarded argument. Life is a zero-sum game: In game theory and economic theory, zero-sum describes a situation in which a participant’s gain or loss is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the other participant(s). If the total gains of the participants are added up, and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum).

    Even if I believed in the system as it is, I would not vote. The main reason for that is that my vote is totally meaningless. The representatives will vote on many items that they should not be voting on when they get in office. My vote has no impact on how they vote on these many affairs. I would be fooling myself if I thought it did. A secondary reason is that I get no psychological satisfaction from identifying myself with a party or candidate. They invariably do things I dislike, and I have no way of registering any control over them.

    If your vote is totally meaningless, than everyone elses vote must also be totally meaningless. Yet, somehow people are still elected. Thus, your vote cannot be totally meaningless because your vote must count for something. The total system is the sum of its parts.

    Additionally, if you don’t like the way they are voting, then don’t vote for them when they are up for reelection.

    I have to ask, Jeff, are you advocating anarchy? Because it sounds like it.

    See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vtHwWReGU0

  3. zomg make me!

    I have not seen one single person I would feel comfortable voting into office and I refuse to vote a second choice. Regardless of the bipartisan system, I have the right to abstain from compromising my ideals because they “couldn’t make a difference.”

  4. What does that mean? Can you propose a better and more fair system than majority rules?

    It means that a bunch of people (a majority) telling me to do something should not oblige me to do it. An oppressive majority is still an oppressor. A better and more fair system is that nobody interferes with my free choice, and I don’t interfere with theirs. I can enter into contracts, buy and sell goods, and relate sensibly with people, but I can’t murder, I can’t physically harm people, I can’t steal, I can’t coerce, I can’t hold a gun to someone’s head and make them do something, and nobody can do any of those things to me either.

    The Constitution is the law of the land, and God says that you must submit yourself to it: Romans 13:1-7

    I’m so glad you brought this up, though I’m a bit disturbed that you refer to St. Paul as God. You should maintain a distinction. At any rate, I don’t think either of us really agrees with much of the aforementioned passage. If there is no authority except that which God has established, then either all governments past and present (including Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia) have been established by God, or we get to decide for ourselves which authorities are legitimate and established by God. Obviously, the second option is the correct one. For that, I choose to measure legitimate authority by adherence to the Ten Commandments. Since the current incarnation of the US government steals (taxes, inflation, the Fed, the Treasury, etc.) and murders (almost all of our foreign policy), I’m going to call them illegitimate. Not only that, but if there’s one thing God respects in people, it’s their free will. God did everything, including the sacrifice of Jesus, to try to convince us to love Him without compromising our free will. A legitimate authority should do the same, and governments don’t.

    Then don?t endorse it. Just becuase I vote doesn?t mean that I think our system is perfect, or even good. Do you think that our political system is an all or nothing proposition? I don?t. Speak out against attrocities you see and seek to change them.

    The system Rozeff is referring to is our system of government. Not part of it, all of it. A vote is a fundamental endorsement of our system of government and a desire to make it conform to a certain set of values or beliefs. I don’t want to change major parts of the government (even if I could do that by voting), I want to change the fundamental structure by which we live our lives. And yes, I do think our political system is all-or-nothing. You either support the basic principle that government gets to take my money and tell me what to do without my say-so, or you don’t.

    If you want Ice Cream, then put Ice Cream on the ballot.

    You really missed the boat on this metaphor. The ballot is not your choice of desert, it’s the jello. It forces you to choose between people who will be in charge of a pre-existing system of government which is not up for debate. The ballot, therefore, offers you different flavors of jello. A write-in candidate would be like coming up with your own flavor. Say I want ice cream. “Putting ice cream on the ballot” would be like asking for ice cream-flavored jello. I don’t want jello of any flavor. I want ice cream, or rather the freedom to choose ice cream.

    This may be the only valid point. However, I don?t think that not voting will help dissolve the national govenment.

    You’re right. Not voting won’t help dissolve the national government. But at least it withdraws my explicit and implicit support of it.

    This is just a retarded argument. Life is a zero-sum game: In game theory and economic theory, zero-sum describes a situation in which a participant?s gain or loss is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the other participant(s). If the total gains of the participants are added up, and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum).

    I understand the theory of a zero-sum game, but I don’t understand what it has to do with our discussion.

    If your vote is totally meaningless, than everyone elses vote must also be totally meaningless. Yet, somehow people are still elected. Thus, your vote cannot be totally meaningless because your vote must count for something. The total system is the sum of its parts.

    Yes, all votes are explicitly meaningless, at least on the level of president (who is elected by the electoral college). Even if we begin talking about other offices, the votes are still implicitly meaningless. The point isn’t that your vote doesn’t count toward electing someone, the point is that electing one candidate over another doesn’t change anything of consequence. I could spend a lot of time explaining why (though I think you know I’m right), but I’ll refer you instead to this article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/alston/alston50.html.

    Additionally, if you don?t like the way they are voting, then don?t vote for them when they are up for reelection.

    What if I don’t like the way any elected official votes, and I know I won’t like the way any potential elected official will vote?

    I have to ask, Jeff, are you advocating anarchy? Because it sounds like it.

    Did you figure that out all by yourself? Good for you.

  5. No response to my airtight logic and superior wit? Did Rozeff and I nail you to the wall and force you to see the light of truth?

  6. @Jeff:

    You only wish. Actually, I just got finished with midterms on Tuesday and then I had to switch gears so I could get things finished before I left for Fall Break.

    I will answer your comment though when I get some free time.

  7. I read your response and I really don’t know how to effectively counter it. This is not to say that I am unable to counter it, I just think that we’ve reached a point in our discussion where I don’t have anything more useful to say at the moment (yea, I know, shocking).

    I’d also like to not have a multipronged argument…it’s too much effort. So if you would still like to debate a specific difference, let me know. I, for one, would still be interested in your proposal for a better and more fair system than majority rules.

  8. First of all, good for you for admitting that you have nothing interesting to say. You’re in the minority of people who are willing to say that out loud. I hope to have the courage to say it when it’s true of me.

    Second, my point really wasn’t to bring up little pinpricks in the argument for voting. I only care about freedom, and government necessarily takes that away (whether it leaves me many freedoms or few is irrelevant, I want to have all of mine and you to have all of yours). I am not a utilitarian (and Jesus wasn’t either, by the way), so I can find no justification for the aggression that government perpetrates as a matter of course. That’s why I don’t vote, and that’s why you shouldn’t either.

    With that in mind, my proposal for a better and more fair system than ‘majority rules’ (which can be as oppressive as the majority chooses to be, as we see more and more every day) is that everyone decides what they want to do, so long as they don’t impede other people’s ability to do the same. The non-aggression axiom is the only rule that should be acknowledged. That is, you don’t deprive me of anything by force (including my physical well-being) and I don’t deprive you of anything by force, and this rule applies to every entity, person, and institution. This proposal is not only better and more fair than ‘majority rules’, it has the added bonus of being just.

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